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[EP-tech] please close the Bazaar
I agree with Rory, gitaar can be a good solution, similar to how composer does in PHP. You develop your module on GitHub, then you publish it in a repository (the bazaar) when you have a stable enough version.
I take the occasion to re-propose a dependences field in the epmi so that you know that certain plugins would work with others of certain version etc etc.
Bottom line is that, as it is, the bazaar is not only useless to non devs but also it sends the wrong message to the people trying to test eprints for the first time.
Denis
Il 27 marzo 2019 09:31:27 CET, Rory McNicholl via Eprints-tech <eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk> ha scritto:
>Hi all,
>
>I think that there has grown over time a disconnect between the
>developers who are updating, releasing plugin code on github and the
>bazaar. As Yuri points out this has led to out of date versions of
>things persisting on the bazaar. When someone is new to the platform
>and tries to try out a plugin, a pretty poor impression is given.
>
>Removing the bazaar is one (drastic) solution, but what I would propose
>is that it is overhauled and, most importantly, that there is an easy
>route for developers to publish from github to the bazaar.
>
>Tim MB made
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>a while back and we still use it to create epmis so that we can make
>our git-based packages installable with tools/epm. This little app will
>also build epms and (in theory) pulishe them to the bazaar, however
>I've tended to come a cropper when attempting this last bit (from
>memory, versioning goes a bit haywire and permissions are a pain).
>
>However I think it is a very good start. I would suggest that working
>on gitaar *and* the bazaar so they can be used smoothly in tandem would
>really help with the quality of content on the bazaar. Something that
>would further enhance this integration would be tapping in to git
>releases/tags to help manage the versioning in the bazaar.
>
>Even with this git => bazaar integration in place, the bazaar could
>still do with a bit of a clean out, deprecating unsupported packages
>and so on. I would suggest that not having public a git repo should be
>a barrier to inclusion in the bazaar and further to that, there should
>be agreed conventions concerning git releases that must be met before a
>plugin get's in to the bazaar.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rory
>
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><eprints-tech-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk> on behalf of Yuri via
>Eprints-tech <eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>Sent: 27 March 2019 07:40
>To: eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: [EP-tech] please close the Bazaar
>
>Excuse me but, for example, Recollect has the epmi in github but it is
>not syncronized with the one in Bazaar. Orcid plugins and Datacite on
>Bazaar are on unknown state, I cannot know if they're the latest with
>less bug or more features.
>
>If you start a new site today, will you blindly install them from
>Bazaar?
>
>I suggest to certify in some way the plugins which are ok, which are
>updated or current. Or have someone who does the check regularly and
>upload them on bazaar. We know developers has the skill to use epmi,
>but
>you shouldn't need to became a developer to know if a particular plugin
>works or if it is ok.
>
>If Orcid and Datacite are so important, and they are, it shouldn't be
>difficult to find info about how to install and use them and be sure
>you're doing the right thing.
>
>Note: most epmi came with a local repository config, so you've also to
>manage updates on config or document them clearly. Otherwise you've to
>be an Eprint developer with a deep knowledge of it and not a simple
>integrator.
>
>Il 26/03/19 18:05, Will Fyson via Eprints-tech ha scritto:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think there is a positive case to be made for the Bazaar - it
>> remains one of the easiest ways to package and deploy content in a
>> modular fashion and is used quite routinely by a number of
>> repositories and developers. A number of recent developments such as
>> the Generic Reporting Framework, ORCID plugins, DataCite DOI plugin
>> and the REF plugins (admittedly REF is only of interest to UK
>> institutions) have been quite popular - and I believe there may be
>> some new plugins on the way soon such as a plugin to support Digital
>> Science's Dimensions badges. Working on a Bazaar plugin is also quite
>> a useful focal point for developers from different organisations and
>> institutions to collaborate on a particular bit of functionality
>where
>> there is shared interest.
>>
>> However I agree that there is a lot of old stuff in the repository
>> that is no longer supported, out-of-date or buggy. We introduced a
>> concept of accolades to try and make it clear which plugins are
>> approved, supported and useful, and it should be possible to filter
>> Bazaar plugins by accolades, as listed in the "Available" tab of an
>> EPrints repository's admin Bazaar interface via a dropdown menu on
>> EPrints 3.3.14+. We'll look into making further changes to the
>> "Available" Bazaar interface however to try and include more metadata
>> (such as documentation links), and to filter out any plugins without
>> an accolade by default.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Will
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Denis Pitzalis Via Eprints-tech
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>> [eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk] *Sent:* 25 March 2019 16:37 *To:*
>> Eprints-tech <eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk> *Subject:* Re: [EP-tech]
>> please close the Bazaar
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On 25/03/2019 17:06, Yuri via Eprints-tech wrote:
>>> Please do it.
>>>
>>> It is full of old and buggy plugins. In github you've all the plugin
>>> updated but Bazaar shows no update on them. No button to check if a
>new
>>> version is available and no documentation on how to discover it. How
>can
>>> this works?
>>>
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