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[EP-tech] OAI2 deleted vs destroyed records
Hi Alan,
Items that have never been live should not appear in any sets. Even if
they do appear in a set, the individual item request should return
idDoesNotExist if they have never been live.
I was not sure whether Primo periodically proactively checks individual
items it has imported to see if their metadata / status has changed.?
From what Iain says, this sounds like it is not the case.
Regards
David Newman
On 15/04/2021 16:16, Alan.Stiles via Eprints-tech wrote:
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> Thanks David,
>
> Unfortunately, it looks like historically the destroy option has been
> available to the repository admins alongside the delete option, so we
> have quite a few where that option has been taken, though I think
> mostly they are not records that have ever been live, which is
> probably okay.? I have a feeling I might be changing the permissions
> on the destroy option in the near future?
>
> I?ll check with our folks who deal with Primo as to whether they can
> do anything at their end of things with regards to how Primo treats
> those records (if it even sees them ? it might not see the destroyed
> record if it?s harvesting a specific set).
>
> Alan
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> <eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk>, David R Newman <drn at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> *Date: *Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 16:04
> *To: *"eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk" <eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk>,
> "Alan. Stiles" <alan.stiles at open.ac.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [EP-tech] OAI2 deleted vs destroyed records
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> Hi Alan,
>
> If previously live records have been completely removed rather than
> retired then you can expect bad things to happen.? If there is a
> specific privacy issue that means the record cannot even been retained
> in a restricted form (retired), then removing may be the only option.?
> However, the need for this should be vanishingly small and therefore
> issues like you describe with Primo should be few a far between and
> may require manual intervention.
>
> The error code idDoesNotExist is deliberately returned by EPrints OAI
> interface when a record is removed, as in effect the record never
> existed.? All I can suggest is that Primo should treat getting back
> idDoesNotExist the same as getting back an item that is marked as
> deleted. Obviously, you may want to be a bit more careful about what
> to do when getting back idDoesNotExist, in case there is some error in
> the request that mangles the ID so it cannot be found.? I have no idea
> how Primo could be configured to do this but as far as I can tell
> EPrints is behaving as it should; reporting completely removed items
> as not existing whereas retired items are reported as 'Deleted'.
>
> Regards
>
> David Newman
>
> On 15/04/2021 15:27, Alan.Stiles via Eprints-tech wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I feel like there was a discussion about this here a year or two
> ago but I can?t find it now.
>
> Records in our repository that get flagged as deleted show up in
> the OAI feed as ?Deleted?, but records that get completely removed
> (destroyed) show up as error code ?idDoesNotExist?.
>
> It appears that Primo (our library search product) isn?t doing
> anything about updating records from the feed (configured within
> Primo to explicitly harvest our repository), at least where it?s
> getting the error response.
>
> Any clues as to whether this is a Primo problem or my problem to
> sort out?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
>
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