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[EP-tech] Date Record Created

Hi James,

If you are interacting with a third party application then this may 
explain the large number of "empty" eprint IDs.? With just human user it 
is possible you will still get a few of these where a user goes to 
create a record and then never gets round to entering any metadata.? 
They may then at some point go round and delete all their "empty" eprint 
records to tidy things up. However, the automated creation by a third 
party app seems more likely.? You should get the userid and actor for 
these history records to see if you can see a pattern.

Regards

David Newman

On 24/08/2020 16:02, James Kerwin via Eprints-tech wrote:
> Should I be concerned about the number of "empty" eprint IDs I see in 
> the history table?
>
> It appears there are a lot that have two instances of "revision = 1" 
> where the record appears to be briefly created and then immediately 
> destroyed and the relevant ID is skipped over and never used. I am 
> making sure that I only look for "datasetid = eprint".
>
> I don't want to get too bogged down with this because it's not the end 
> of the world, but I am tempted to pull on the thread and see what's 
> going on.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:41 PM James Kerwin via Eprints-tech 
> <eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk <mailto:eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Ahhhh that's it! Thank you!
>
>     I'm now slightly embarrassed to say how long I spent searching
>     through the various EPrints tables looking for this.
>
>     The initial plan is to have a script that looks at how many items
>     are put in the repository and breaks them down by some time period
>     (e.g. month). If it's still wanted I'll make it into a button on
>     the admin side that provides either a spreadsheet/google docs link
>     or maybe even use it as an opportunity to play with graph modules etc.
>
>     We did look into something similar last year where we get the
>     upload date and proper deposit date (as defined by EPrints) to
>     assess how long items spent in review. This felt a little bit too
>     much like surveilling staff which isn't something I'm on board
>     with so it was quickly dropped. "Do no evil..." and so on.
>
>     Thanks,
>     James
>
>     On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM John Salter <J.Salter at leeds.ac.uk
>     <mailto:J.Salter at leeds.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>         Hi James,
>         The 'history' dataset is your friend here!
>
>         Are you wanting to do this for a handful of records, or script
>         something?
>
>         A dataset search along these lines should work:
>         dataset: history
>
>         datasetid: eprint
>
>         dataobjid: the eprint id you are interested in
>
>         action: 'create'
>
>         The history dataset is searchable via the web interface, but
>         for some older versions or EPrints you might want to add the
>         'datasetid' to the search form.
>
>         Let me know if you need more info!
>
>         Cheers,
>
>         John
>
>         *From:*eprints-tech-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk
>         <mailto:eprints-tech-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>         [mailto:eprints-tech-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk
>         <mailto:eprints-tech-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk>] *On Behalf Of
>         *James Kerwin via Eprints-tech
>         *Sent:* 24 August 2020 13:43
>         *To:* eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk
>         <mailto:eprints-tech at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>         *Subject:* [EP-tech] Date Record Created
>
>         Afternoon All,
>
>         In the EPrints database is there data on when a record was
>         created? We have the date an item is deposited which indicates
>         when an item was made live in the repository. The record is
>         created prior to this when a user uploads a file or OA Link
>         through Elements. The record is created in the review buffer.
>
>         When a record is modified there is a "last mod" date and when
>         it goes into the live archive this is treated as the deposit date.
>
>         If not I can find a way to make it happen in future. It would
>         be incredibly helpful if I didn't need to do this.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         James
>
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