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Re: [EP-tech] Alphabetically sort names with special characters

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Communication is key - I have shared what I've done in a Git Issue,
and asked the team for further input.
They may indeed know an easy answer I've missed, that doesn't require
any hacking.
We shall see what response the team give when they get a moment:

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Feprints%2Feprints3.4%2Fissues%2F505&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814742308%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=98Oi98I%2BDDraJ88m1GBk64BtaWM%2FkxZQxEkveoknsQQ%3D&reserved=0

The hack achieves what you want in "year" browse view only presently.
I was unable to tweak it to get browse by Author working, for example.

Overall then it is not as superb as you give credit for, because you'd
have to repeat the hack if you ever upgraded, and it's also not fixing
the problem for all browse views.

That's why it will be good to share this hack with the team and
community here, and see what input others have, to improve upon the
above shared hack, and get us a bit closer to the ideal "superb" you'd
hope for =).

Yours,
Andrew.

Quoting Will Hughes <w.p.hughes@reading.ac.uk>:


Andrew

That is superb, thank you. I was surprised that it turned out to be
such an adventure and extremely glad that I did not try to hack it
alone. It would have taken me weeks!! Thank you for your hard work
and support. I really appreciate it. I'll look for the next message
and incorporate the solution into my repo as soon as I can!

Best wishes

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>
Sent: 10 September 2025 19:40
To: eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Cc: Will Hughes <w.p.hughes@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [EP-tech] Alphabetically sort names with special characters


Okay - here's my research findings in a github gist:

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgist.github.com%2Fajmetz%2F33ad5809326cbd979998297322e2a41d&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814759820%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0ljKtz4ac9MDi3W2JBz%2FA7k2WRInZVKGA8aokVx0H5Q%3D&reserved=0

To my surprise - we could throw Unicode::Collate out of the window,
and simply use the Text::Unidecode (
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetacpan.org%2Fpod%2FText%3A%3AUnidecode&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814775259%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2ro8N7wE57Mznvn26bnFY%2BgWjKwg2HWIlCAhnsq1U4M%3D&reserved=0 ) translation of odd
characters back to English as we sort.
How did I learn of it?
EPrints' David had already used it in some of the unidecode
groupings in View.pm - so I was borrowed his approach, ^_^.

Surely I'm still missing something, and there's a way to declare a
unidecoded sort to the bottom of the list, without hacking core...?

I've got it working completely for the time being...
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F18.232.191.141%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2005.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814789775%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AQyMwaUZSJV2zt9isEBRksxAbG%2FvxTwKBjs%2BBffrRoc%3D&reserved=0
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F18.232.191.141%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2001.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814803975%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0p%2B%2FHCGiu%2F9Kb6yYdm2vI7rp0vJREPGdRGjzcbZ1TPY%3D&reserved=0
...etc...
...and it's an absolute hack of View.pm in Core EPrints, that the
EPrints team would be shocked to see, and likely know of a better
way to achieve the same thing.

But it works for the time being.
so I'll tidy it up and share it in the next message, and then likely
use it as the basis for raising an EPrints issue, so the team can
discuss better approaches and refinements.

Yours,
Andrew.


Quoting Will Hughes <w.p.hughes@reading.ac.uk>:


Excellent progress! 😊


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>
Sent: 10 September 2025 16:03
To: eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Cc: Will Hughes <w.p.hughes@reading.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [EP-tech] Alphabetically sort names with special
characters


Okay - I have got it working on the Item Type and No Grouping "Group
By" options, and am gonna see if I can get the same on creators next,
and its list of letters at the top of the page.

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F18.232.191.141%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2005.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814817152%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KqDxE6%2BHyG%2FQ36EBlUUQ3D8s7vpAD1X%2Bs5PKDSA0U9E%3D&reserved=0



Quoting Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>:


In addition to this problem on your site...
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farcomabstracts.com%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2025.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814830580%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vSKLf%2BeOYJ49qZXqXoy46YDpDkAfFKbBx0eNwUx0Nrg%3D&reserved=0

It's also on my default 3.4.5...
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F18.232.191.141%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2005.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814844430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dCjplPYZNfowL1NWx8grw2f97A1iXRuhcUfuXi%2BaWG8%3D&reserved=0

It's also on London Met:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frepository.londonmet.ac.uk%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2025.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814857566%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7%2B%2BFhhItxU7NcvT14BIHnfYLmO4bJMnVT%2Bn7HE6jRrc%3D&reserved=0

It's also on Greenwich:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgala.gre.ac.uk%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2025.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814871002%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BmnmmJ27TRFCzaNbZ3Nb7DvH09I8kzkMBDbUUs37d3g%3D&reserved=0

So it doesn't seem to be due to your misconfiguration.

Still exploring the problem, learning about how browse_views are generated.


Quoting Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>:


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You should simply be able to use the sort_values method when the
list is presented.

So I'm assuming off the top of my head, it's gonna be a layout
issue, in one of the xml documents, and that's it.

Whether that is ACTUALLY the case or not, will require me to see the
problem you're seeing on my own EPrints, fix it on my own EPrints,
and then share what the fix was.

So let's first look at an example of where the problem is occurring.
You said it was in the second level of browse views.
Fantastic!
I've found an example here:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farcomabstracts.com%2Fview%2Fyear%2F2025.html&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814884204%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hx8JHlFf6xViNzIpu5dVWNbCjesncKzHRJNNvZzaQhE%3D&reserved=0

Okay.
I will replicate the same issue on my EPrints, and then look for a
fix, and write again shortly.

I suspect the layout xml is just cycling through the eprints and
displaying them, without first sorting the eprints by author using
sort_values (
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.eprints.org%2Fw%2FAPI%3AEPrints%2FMetaField%23sort_values&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814897310%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=uM%2FQZDSAuogUbd0iUJhiW4YNIxWosUtVqOkNb73zKWE%3D&reserved=0 )...and
we'll soon see if that's the case.

That said, I have perhaps not read your email fully enough.
Are you saying, you think it's a matter of what you have, or have
not, copied over into your custom browse view? Do you have a copy of
your custom browse view to share?

I've just read up about gists here:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.github.com%2Fen%2Fget-started%2Fwriting-on-github%2Fediting-and&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814910429%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7vpQQNnLcTIo43PPJtuMIADoPSlDdNsP6elnXMChIno%3D&reserved=0
- sharing-content-with-gists/creating-gists
...and these seem a good way to share snippets of code as needed for
our discussions.

Yours,
Andrew.





Quoting Will Hughes <w.p.hughes@reading.ac.uk>:


Andrew

Oops, type in the email: "bewildered by you..." should have been
"bewildered, but you...". Apologies for that!

OK, I am beginning to understand but I still struggle to really see
through this. In the default views.pl, which provides the sorting I
would expect, I see this:
{
      id => "creators",
      allow_null => 0,
      hideempty => 1,
      menus => [
          {
              fields => [ "creators_name" ],
              new_column_at => [1, 1],
              mode => "sections",
              open_first_section => 1,
              group_range_function =>
"EPrints::Update::Views::cluster_ranges_30",
              grouping_function => "group_by_a_to_z_hideempty",
          },
      ],
      order => "-date/title",
      variations => [
          "type",
          "DEFAULT",
      ],
  },

But, in my custom browsing, by document type, I have this:

{
 id=>"doctype", # Browse by type of document  menus =>
    [
    {
            fields => [ "type" ],
    },
    ],
  order => "creators_name/date",
            variations => [
                    "creators_name;first_letter",
                    "type",
                    "DEFAULT" ],
};

So, the problem comes when my results are at a second level, rather
than at a primary level of browse results. I struggle to figure out
which part of the code I should be copying into my custom browse view.

Best wishes

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hughes
Sent: 10 September 2025 08:34
To: eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk
Subject: RE: [EP-tech] Alphabetically sort names with special
characters

Andrew

Thank you so much for digging around and exploring this. I have
been bewildered by you are helping me to make sense of it. Your
question about where I come across the problem made me think. It is
interesting as mostly happens in Browse views, but now I see that
sometimes the sort is as I desire, and sometimes not - so maybe it
is merely a question of how the browse view is configured:

* Browse by author gives my pages (and the lists below them)
"correctly" sorted, like this:
A | Á-Å | B | C | Ç | D | E | F | G | H | I | İ | J | K | L | M | N
| O | Ó-Ø | P | Q | R | S | Š-Ş | T | U | Ü | V | W | X | Y | Z

* Browse by year gives me pages (and lists below them) sorted like this:
A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q |
R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z | Ç | Ö | Ş

* I also have a custom Browse by Document Type, which sorts like this:
A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q |
R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z | Ç | Ó | Ö | Š

So, I am going to dig around in the customised views.pl files and
compare them to vanilla versions - it may simply be a question of
how the order is defined.

Best wishes

Will

-----Original Message-----
From: eprints-tech-request@ecs.soton.ac.uk
<eprints-tech-request@ecs.soton.ac.uk> On Behalf Of Andrew M
Sent: 10 September 2025 08:06
To: eprints-tech@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [EP-tech] Alphabetically sort names with special
characters

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Yes. It seems there is support for it already in MetaFields via the
sort_values method.
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.eprints.org%2Fw%2FAPI%3AEPrints%2FMetaField%23sort_values&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814923695%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zhjtXOO8kpjg5ZxEpcfY4EUJJuwUkq3mmI1VzdF5B9M%3D&reserved=0

=======

=pod

=item $out_list = $field->sort_values( $in_list, $langid )

Sorts the in_list into order, based on the "order values" of the
values in the in_list. Assumes that the values are not a list of
multiple values. [ [], [], [] ], but rather a list of single values.

=cut

=======

Yours,
Andrew.


Quoting Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>:


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Quoting Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>:

Since the script was getting butchered in email form, I've thrown
it online here:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.andrewjamesmehta.com%2Ffiles%2Feprints%2FUnicodeSortExample&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814939146%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pB7S7bZYk3sMRf17Ra8bfnhE7sxo45dwp6IwiIa%2FA6A%3D&reserved=0.
p
m

However, the main part was:

sub unicode_sort {
  my  $self   =   shift;
  my  @configuration_to_ignore_case_and_diacritics    =   (level => 1);

  return
Unicode::Collate->new(@configuration_to_ignore_case_and_diacritics
)
->s
ort(@ARG);
}

As written about in the Perl Unicode cookbook:
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fperldoc.perl.org%2Fperlunicook%23%25E2%2584%259E-36%3A-Case-and-accent&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814952690%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2F%2FABBw%2B84F6TypSnSiX62rVujhSkZ4bwgkWhc%2Bsym6o%3D&reserved=0
-
ins
ensitive-Unicode-sort

This is Perl, and not EPrints of course, so the next stage is to
figure out where such improved sorts need to be used in EPrints,
or if there is already an option in EPrints for them.





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There was no need for the "our" before $a and $b in that code example.
Apologies. Was messing around with different things and left that in.


Quoting Andrew M <eprints-tech@unitedgames.co.uk>:


Was intrigued by this, and had a moment of spare time, so wrote
a short script, that attempts three different sorts:

Default sort,

Default unicode case folding case-insensitive sort,

...and since the second made no difference, I hit the online
cookbook...
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fperldoc.perl.org%2Fperlunicook%23%25E2%2584%259E-36%3A-Case-and-acce&data=05%7C02%7Ceprints-tech%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C551d2183fec041413ae308ddf0b24e4e%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0%7C0%7C638931370814965810%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ycOT2g55wLWhAVtqQi%2FPjSBV%2FwJy%2BjhBwBBGtdcRWYI%3D&reserved=0
n t-i nsensitive-Unicode-sort and learned about the default
unicode case-and-accent-insensitive sort.

So now we know how to do the correct kind of sort in
Perl....next we'd need to know where in the EPrints codebase
to apply the fix.

Where are you seeing the wrong order appearing? In what context
do you wish for the order to be changed in?

Of course there may also be a simple EPrints option that
switches to more correct ordering, so I probably should have
checked the EPrints wiki before looking up the Perl solution.

Attempting to copy and paste the short experimental script I
just wrote - hope it doesn't get butchered in email form:

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Quoting Will Hughes <w.p.hughes@reading.ac.uk>:


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Hi

Hopefully a quick question with an easy answer:

How do we get alphabetic sorting to list accented characters at
an appropriate point in an alphabetic list? The default
behaviour seems to use UniCode values or something, as accented
characters appear at the end of the alphabet.

For example, when I see this kind of sequence from Eprints:


*   Church, B
*   Lee, K
*   Ågren, R
*   Çınar, D

I feel that it should (probably) be:


*   Ågren, R
*   Church, B
*   Çınar, D
*   Lee, K

Is there a simple setting to implement sorting in a way that
respects accented characters? (and will these characters
reproduce accurately after emailing! Image attached just in
case)

Best wishes

Will

Will Hughes
Emeritus Professor of Construction Management and Economics
School of the Built Environment University of Reading, PO Box
219, Whiteknights Reading, RG6 6DF, UK