eprints_tech messages

From: billn <billn AT yelmtel.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:32:24 -0700

> useful version 2 improvement..

I think it would be *essential*. The first implementation might not be
able to save/move any attached information, but the ability to make
changes over time as the subject list grows is important.

Bill Nicholls
Wrriter & Consultant

Bob Kemp wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My experience in setting up the eprints software is that getting things
> like the subject tree right involves a certain amount of iteration. This
> would be much easier if it was possible to change the metadata fields and
> the subject hierarchy without deleting the database and recreating it ↵
every
> time.
> 
> Would this make a useful version 2 improvement?
> 
> Bob
> 
> Dr Bob Kemp
> Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> Centre for Digital Library Research
> University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> 
> Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102

From: Bob Kemp <robert.kemp AT strath.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:38:38 +0100

Hi All,

My experience in setting up the eprints software is that getting things 
like the subject tree right involves a certain amount of iteration. This 
would be much easier if it was possible to change the metadata fields and 
the subject hierarchy without deleting the database and recreating it every 
time.

Would this make a useful version 2 improvement?

Bob

Dr Bob Kemp
Information Officer, Digital Information Office
Centre for Digital Library Research
University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS

Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102

From: Bob Kemp <robert.kemp AT strath.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:37:25 +0100

Hello again,

Some of you may think this should have been obvious! My problem was nothing 
to do with numbers, and everything to do with the spaces I'd inserted 
between sections in my new subjects config file. They made for much clearer 
reading, but basically broke it.

Cheers,

Bob

At 11:31 AM 8/9/01 +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I've been building a new subjects config file for our archive here at 
>Strathclyde, and it isn't rendering correctly. I suspect this is because 
>I've used numeric subject tags, although the documentation doesn't 
>actually exclude this. Anyone know if this might be the case?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob
>
>Dr Bob Kemp
>Information Officer, Digital Information Office
>Centre for Digital Library Research
>University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
>
>Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102
>

From: Bob Kemp <robert.kemp AT strath.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:31:37 +0100

Hi All,

I've been building a new subjects config file for our archive here at 
Strathclyde, and it isn't rendering correctly. I suspect this is because 
I've used numeric subject tags, although the documentation doesn't actually 
exclude this. Anyone know if this might be the case?

Thanks,

Bob

Dr Bob Kemp
Information Officer, Digital Information Office
Centre for Digital Library Research
University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS

Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102

From: ePrints Support <support AT ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:44:18 +0100

As announced last month at the London OAI meeting:

August 1st 2001:
EPrints 2 Alpha-1 has been released and is available from:
http://www.eprints.org/files/eprints/

Features Include
 - International language support (UTF-8 and multiple "phrase" files)
 - Much improved database back end - real text indexing and normalised data.
 - Improved installation (no longer uses ./configure & make)
 - Full support for multiple archives on one server
 - Object Oriented Design and database abstraction

Caveats
 - This is not a stable (or even fully working) release.
 - It is not an upgrade for EPrints 1 series.
 - Many bits remain to be done.

If all goes to plan, from tonight, nightly builds from CVS will be available ↵
too.

See http://www.eprints.org/ for more information on the eprints project.

--
"The EPrints Team"
Christopher Gutteridge & Mike Jewell
support AT eprints.org
+44 23 8059 4833

From: Ed Sponsler <eds AT library.caltech.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:55:16 -0700

Hello, 

I'd like to make two suggestions:

-- Include file size next to the document download link on the main document
(service / front matter) page.

-- Allow the citation style used on the result list / browse pages to differ
from the style which appears at the top of the main document (service /
front matter) page because they serve two different purposes. Only minimal
information is desirable for browse/search result lists (author, title,
maybe year). But the main document page, we think, should contain a 'real',
model citation style suitable for cut/paste by users into other documents
(in which the work is cited). We would, for example, want to include
institution, department and a persistent URL on the main document page
(citation). This is because the document download page is accessed outside
of the context of EPrints by Google and OAI service providers. However, the
extra information we'd put on the document page citation is unnecessarily
redundant in the citation style used within an Eprints browse / search
result list. 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Ed Sponsler, Computing Analyst
Caltech Library System

From: support AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:27:14 +0100

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From: "Faine, Mark" <Mark.R.Faine AT msfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:21:04 -0500

Ok, I have a nice fresh clean Solaris 8 install with all the tools and apps
I'll need installed and the box is ready to go.  I plan on using it for a
test of the eprints software for our NASA tech reports. I haven't yet
installed Apache/mod_perl yet nor a few other things.  Does anyone have any
ideas or suggestions, perhaps a checklist to add based on their own
experience?  I'd like to benefit from the mistakes you have made if I could.
 
Any suggestions/advice would be appreciated.
 
-Mark 

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From: Margery Tibbetts <margery.tibbetts AT ucop.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:14:44 -0700

Chris,

         Do you have plans to support version 1.1 of the OAI Metadata 
Harvesting protocol in the next release of EPrints?

Thanks,
Margery


Margery Tibbetts
California Digital Library
University of California
1111 Franklin Street
Oakland, CA 94607-5200
(510)-987-0581
fax - (510)-763-2471

From: ePrints Support <support AT eprints.org>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:38:06 +0100

We've set up a new mailing list, by popular demand:


eprints-underground

 This is the list for people who are interested in what EPrints does (not
 how it does it, that's what the tech list if for). This is for people who want
 to set up eprints.org software (or something like it) in their institution /
 department / whatever and want to swap advice, stories, suggestions, ask
 questions, discuss best practice and practical metadata configuration for
 the modern eprints admin etc.

 Why "underground"? The aim of eprints.org software is to do things
 _right_, and well. Experience has shown that often the "brass" don't ↵
care
 about such things so this is also for discussion about how to ↵
"leverage"
 interoperable archives (that is to say how to beg / badger / trick / force /
 bribe / blackmail people into doing what is in their own best interest, if
 only they knew it...)

 The "underground" discussion list is archived online at
 http://threader.ecs.soton.ac.uk/lists/eprints-underground/

To subscribe to the list, send a mail with the following line in the message 
body to majordomo AT ecs.soton.ac.uk

       subscribe eprints-underground

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 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833

From: "Christopher D. Green" <christo AT yorku.ca>
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:48:22 -0400

Chris,

Here's an additional suggestion for the next version of Eprints. There
has been a lot of debate around the issue of peer review, and what the
relationship between e-archives and traditional journals will be. It
seems clear that different disciplines, becaue of their different
traditions, are bound to ultimately handle this issue in different way.
I would like to give my users the option of having me send their
submissions out for peer review. I believe there is currently a checkbox
that pertains to only to whether the submission has been reviewed.

(1) Would it be possible to expand this into a field in which the
organization(s) that have peer-reviewed the submission could be listed?

(2) Would it also be possible to have a new checkbox in which the user
could request of the archive manager that a given submission be sent out
for peer review (and perhaps another checkbox in which the author could
tell the manager whether or not the author would like the submission to
be posted on the archive while being reviewed)?

(3) And perhaps a second buffer in which submissions that are under peer
review (but not yet posted) could be stored without cluttering up the
regular submissions buffer.

(4) Finally, a function that would allow the archive manager to forward
a submission to potential reviewers via e-mail.

Thanks,
--
Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, Ontario M3J 1P3

e-mail: christo AT yorku.ca
phone:  416-736-5115 ext. 66164
fax:    416-736-5814
http://www.yorku.ca/christo/

From: ePrints Support <support AT eprints.org>
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:51:43 +0100

Anything is possible, all things are permitted, but how do you mean, exactly?

The system uses a different template file for each language, so you could
do stuff like that there (if I understand what you mean)

On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 09:08:10PM +0100, Tim Brody wrote:
> Just a thought on different browser "front-ends". Could the same ↵
facility
> for multiple-languages be used to provide alternative visual front-ends
> (including browser oddities)?
> 
> Probably depends, I suppose, on whether your concept is embedded languages
> or embedded content...
> 
> Just adding to the "love" :-)
> 
> All the best,
> Tim.
> 
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, ePrints Support wrote:
> 
> > The other problem I've encountered is that Netscape 4.7 under Linux ↵
(not tested
> > under windows yet) will only allow you to enter LATIN-1 (ie western ↵
europe chars)
> > It will render UTF-8 just fine and even encode LATIN-1 chars into ↵
UTF-8, just
> > no Kanji(sp?) input for netscape 4 users..
> > 
> > Which should give you an idea of the level of love we're putting into ↵
this damn
> > thing <grin>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:49:28PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > Thanks Chris, that worked. I'd already got the stylesheet in ↵
'static', and 
> > > inserting "/" was the key - should have thought of ↵
that.
> > > 
> > > Eprints2 will be interesting - from this and your earlier posts ↵
it sounds 
> > > like you're doing a lot. Not sure that being able to configure ↵
style sheets 
> > > for each browser is what I want, although I see the attraction. ↵
I suppose 
> > > I'd rather browser producers got their own act together - I ↵
know, pigs 
> > > might fly....
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Bob Kemp
> > > 
> > > At 02:14 PM 7/5/01 +0100, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> > > >I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run ↵
'generate_static' to
> > > >copy it accross into the 'html' dir.
> > > >
> > > >Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" ↵
so that it always looks
> > > >in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.
> > > >
> > > >Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you ↵
still have problems.
> > > >
> > > >eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm ↵
testing this with
> > > >netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it ↵
should look OK.
> > > >
> > > >It would be possible to add some code to give the option of ↵
a different
> > > >style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but ↵
this would be
> > > >more for the admin to maintain. Comments?
> > > >
> > > >All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ↵
ep2 with <SPAN 
> > > >class="whatever">
> > > >
> > > >Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of ↵
July, *hopefully*).
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint ↵
archive here at 
> > > > Strathclyde
> > > > > to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works ↵
for the static pages
> > > > > without any problem, but doesn't render successfully ↵
for the rest of the
> > > > > site. The insertion of the link reference in the html ↵
in SiteInfo.pm seems
> > > > > to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html ↵
- the problem is
> > > > > presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets ↵
successfully, I'd be
> > > > > interested to know exactly how, including what ↵
directory they put the
> > > > > stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or ↵
absolute url in
> > > > > SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree ↵
altogether I'd be 
> > > > glad to
> > > > > hear about that as well...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Kemp
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr Bob Kemp
> > > > > Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> > > > > Centre for Digital Library Research
> > > > > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> > > > >
> > > > > DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> > > > >
> > > > > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 ↵
(0)141 548 2102
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 ↵
(0)23 8059 4833
> > > >100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all ↵
crushed by a wall
> > > >(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30)
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> >  Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
> >  ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833
> > 
> > 
> 
> Tim Brody
> Computer Science, University of Southampton
> email: tdb198 AT soton.ac.uk
> Web: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tdb198/

-- 

 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833

From: Tim Brody <tdb198 AT ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:08:10 +0100 (BST)

Just a thought on different browser "front-ends". Could the same ↵
facility
for multiple-languages be used to provide alternative visual front-ends
(including browser oddities)?

Probably depends, I suppose, on whether your concept is embedded languages
or embedded content...

Just adding to the "love" :-)

All the best,
Tim.

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, ePrints Support wrote:

> The other problem I've encountered is that Netscape 4.7 under Linux (not ↵
tested
> under windows yet) will only allow you to enter LATIN-1 (ie western europe ↵
chars)
> It will render UTF-8 just fine and even encode LATIN-1 chars into UTF-8, ↵
just
> no Kanji(sp?) input for netscape 4 users..
> 
> Which should give you an idea of the level of love we're putting into this ↵
damn
> thing <grin>
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:49:28PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > Thanks Chris, that worked. I'd already got the stylesheet in ↵
'static', and 
> > inserting "/" was the key - should have thought of that.
> > 
> > Eprints2 will be interesting - from this and your earlier posts it ↵
sounds 
> > like you're doing a lot. Not sure that being able to configure style ↵
sheets 
> > for each browser is what I want, although I see the attraction. I ↵
suppose 
> > I'd rather browser producers got their own act together - I know, ↵
pigs 
> > might fly....
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Bob Kemp
> > 
> > At 02:14 PM 7/5/01 +0100, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> > >I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run ↵
'generate_static' to
> > >copy it accross into the 'html' dir.
> > >
> > >Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" so ↵
that it always looks
> > >in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.
> > >
> > >Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you still ↵
have problems.
> > >
> > >eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm testing ↵
this with
> > >netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it should ↵
look OK.
> > >
> > >It would be possible to add some code to give the option of a ↵
different
> > >style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but this ↵
would be
> > >more for the admin to maintain. Comments?
> > >
> > >All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ep2 ↵
with <SPAN 
> > >class="whatever">
> > >
> > >Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of July, ↵
*hopefully*).
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint archive ↵
here at 
> > > Strathclyde
> > > > to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works for ↵
the static pages
> > > > without any problem, but doesn't render successfully for ↵
the rest of the
> > > > site. The insertion of the link reference in the html in ↵
SiteInfo.pm seems
> > > > to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html - the ↵
problem is
> > > > presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets ↵
successfully, I'd be
> > > > interested to know exactly how, including what directory ↵
they put the
> > > > stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or ↵
absolute url in
> > > > SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree ↵
altogether I'd be 
> > > glad to
> > > > hear about that as well...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kemp
> > > >
> > > > Dr Bob Kemp
> > > > Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> > > > Centre for Digital Library Research
> > > > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> > > >
> > > > DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> > > >
> > > > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 ↵
2102
> > >
> > >--
> > >Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 (0)23 ↵
8059 4833
> > >100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all crushed by ↵
a wall
> > >(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30)
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
>  ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833
> 
> 

Tim Brody
Computer Science, University of Southampton
email: tdb198 AT soton.ac.uk
Web: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tdb198/