eprints_tech messages

From: ePrints Support <support AT eprints.org>
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:51:43 +0100

Anything is possible, all things are permitted, but how do you mean, exactly?

The system uses a different template file for each language, so you could
do stuff like that there (if I understand what you mean)

On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 09:08:10PM +0100, Tim Brody wrote:
> Just a thought on different browser "front-ends". Could the same ↵
facility
> for multiple-languages be used to provide alternative visual front-ends
> (including browser oddities)?
> 
> Probably depends, I suppose, on whether your concept is embedded languages
> or embedded content...
> 
> Just adding to the "love" :-)
> 
> All the best,
> Tim.
> 
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, ePrints Support wrote:
> 
> > The other problem I've encountered is that Netscape 4.7 under Linux ↵
(not tested
> > under windows yet) will only allow you to enter LATIN-1 (ie western ↵
europe chars)
> > It will render UTF-8 just fine and even encode LATIN-1 chars into ↵
UTF-8, just
> > no Kanji(sp?) input for netscape 4 users..
> > 
> > Which should give you an idea of the level of love we're putting into ↵
this damn
> > thing <grin>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:49:28PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > Thanks Chris, that worked. I'd already got the stylesheet in ↵
'static', and 
> > > inserting "/" was the key - should have thought of ↵
that.
> > > 
> > > Eprints2 will be interesting - from this and your earlier posts ↵
it sounds 
> > > like you're doing a lot. Not sure that being able to configure ↵
style sheets 
> > > for each browser is what I want, although I see the attraction. ↵
I suppose 
> > > I'd rather browser producers got their own act together - I ↵
know, pigs 
> > > might fly....
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Bob Kemp
> > > 
> > > At 02:14 PM 7/5/01 +0100, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> > > >I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run ↵
'generate_static' to
> > > >copy it accross into the 'html' dir.
> > > >
> > > >Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" ↵
so that it always looks
> > > >in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.
> > > >
> > > >Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you ↵
still have problems.
> > > >
> > > >eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm ↵
testing this with
> > > >netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it ↵
should look OK.
> > > >
> > > >It would be possible to add some code to give the option of ↵
a different
> > > >style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but ↵
this would be
> > > >more for the admin to maintain. Comments?
> > > >
> > > >All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ↵
ep2 with <SPAN 
> > > >class="whatever">
> > > >
> > > >Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of ↵
July, *hopefully*).
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint ↵
archive here at 
> > > > Strathclyde
> > > > > to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works ↵
for the static pages
> > > > > without any problem, but doesn't render successfully ↵
for the rest of the
> > > > > site. The insertion of the link reference in the html ↵
in SiteInfo.pm seems
> > > > > to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html ↵
- the problem is
> > > > > presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets ↵
successfully, I'd be
> > > > > interested to know exactly how, including what ↵
directory they put the
> > > > > stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or ↵
absolute url in
> > > > > SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree ↵
altogether I'd be 
> > > > glad to
> > > > > hear about that as well...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Kemp
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr Bob Kemp
> > > > > Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> > > > > Centre for Digital Library Research
> > > > > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> > > > >
> > > > > DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> > > > >
> > > > > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 ↵
(0)141 548 2102
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 ↵
(0)23 8059 4833
> > > >100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all ↵
crushed by a wall
> > > >(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30)
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> >  Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
> >  ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833
> > 
> > 
> 
> Tim Brody
> Computer Science, University of Southampton
> email: tdb198 AT soton.ac.uk
> Web: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tdb198/

-- 

 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833

From: Tim Brody <tdb198 AT ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:08:10 +0100 (BST)

Just a thought on different browser "front-ends". Could the same ↵
facility
for multiple-languages be used to provide alternative visual front-ends
(including browser oddities)?

Probably depends, I suppose, on whether your concept is embedded languages
or embedded content...

Just adding to the "love" :-)

All the best,
Tim.

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, ePrints Support wrote:

> The other problem I've encountered is that Netscape 4.7 under Linux (not ↵
tested
> under windows yet) will only allow you to enter LATIN-1 (ie western europe ↵
chars)
> It will render UTF-8 just fine and even encode LATIN-1 chars into UTF-8, ↵
just
> no Kanji(sp?) input for netscape 4 users..
> 
> Which should give you an idea of the level of love we're putting into this ↵
damn
> thing <grin>
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:49:28PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > Thanks Chris, that worked. I'd already got the stylesheet in ↵
'static', and 
> > inserting "/" was the key - should have thought of that.
> > 
> > Eprints2 will be interesting - from this and your earlier posts it ↵
sounds 
> > like you're doing a lot. Not sure that being able to configure style ↵
sheets 
> > for each browser is what I want, although I see the attraction. I ↵
suppose 
> > I'd rather browser producers got their own act together - I know, ↵
pigs 
> > might fly....
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Bob Kemp
> > 
> > At 02:14 PM 7/5/01 +0100, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> > >I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run ↵
'generate_static' to
> > >copy it accross into the 'html' dir.
> > >
> > >Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" so ↵
that it always looks
> > >in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.
> > >
> > >Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you still ↵
have problems.
> > >
> > >eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm testing ↵
this with
> > >netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it should ↵
look OK.
> > >
> > >It would be possible to add some code to give the option of a ↵
different
> > >style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but this ↵
would be
> > >more for the admin to maintain. Comments?
> > >
> > >All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ep2 ↵
with <SPAN 
> > >class="whatever">
> > >
> > >Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of July, ↵
*hopefully*).
> > >
> > >On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint archive ↵
here at 
> > > Strathclyde
> > > > to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works for ↵
the static pages
> > > > without any problem, but doesn't render successfully for ↵
the rest of the
> > > > site. The insertion of the link reference in the html in ↵
SiteInfo.pm seems
> > > > to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html - the ↵
problem is
> > > > presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets ↵
successfully, I'd be
> > > > interested to know exactly how, including what directory ↵
they put the
> > > > stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or ↵
absolute url in
> > > > SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree ↵
altogether I'd be 
> > > glad to
> > > > hear about that as well...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kemp
> > > >
> > > > Dr Bob Kemp
> > > > Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> > > > Centre for Digital Library Research
> > > > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> > > >
> > > > DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> > > >
> > > > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 ↵
2102
> > >
> > >--
> > >Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 (0)23 ↵
8059 4833
> > >100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all crushed by ↵
a wall
> > >(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30)
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
>  ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833
> 
> 

Tim Brody
Computer Science, University of Southampton
email: tdb198 AT soton.ac.uk
Web: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~tdb198/

From: ePrints Support <support AT eprints.org>
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:21:43 +0100

The other problem I've encountered is that Netscape 4.7 under Linux (not tested
under windows yet) will only allow you to enter LATIN-1 (ie western europe ↵
chars)
It will render UTF-8 just fine and even encode LATIN-1 chars into UTF-8, just
no Kanji(sp?) input for netscape 4 users..

Which should give you an idea of the level of love we're putting into this damn
thing <grin>



On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:49:28PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> Thanks Chris, that worked. I'd already got the stylesheet in 'static', and ↵

> inserting "/" was the key - should have thought of that.
> 
> Eprints2 will be interesting - from this and your earlier posts it sounds 
> like you're doing a lot. Not sure that being able to configure style ↵
sheets 
> for each browser is what I want, although I see the attraction. I suppose 
> I'd rather browser producers got their own act together - I know, pigs 
> might fly....
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bob Kemp
> 
> At 02:14 PM 7/5/01 +0100, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> >I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run 'generate_static' ↵
to
> >copy it accross into the 'html' dir.
> >
> >Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" so that ↵
it always looks
> >in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.
> >
> >Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you still have ↵
problems.
> >
> >eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm testing this ↵
with
> >netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it should look ↵
OK.
> >
> >It would be possible to add some code to give the option of a ↵
different
> >style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but this would ↵
be
> >more for the admin to maintain. Comments?
> >
> >All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ep2 with ↵
<SPAN 
> >class="whatever">
> >
> >Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of July, ↵
*hopefully*).
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint archive here at 
> > Strathclyde
> > > to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works for the ↵
static pages
> > > without any problem, but doesn't render successfully for the ↵
rest of the
> > > site. The insertion of the link reference in the html in ↵
SiteInfo.pm seems
> > > to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html - the ↵
problem is
> > > presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> > >
> > > If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets ↵
successfully, I'd be
> > > interested to know exactly how, including what directory they ↵
put the
> > > stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or absolute ↵
url in
> > > SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree altogether I'd ↵
be 
> > glad to
> > > hear about that as well...
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone,
> > >
> > > Bob Kemp
> > >
> > > Dr Bob Kemp
> > > Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> > > Centre for Digital Library Research
> > > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> > >
> > > DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> > >
> > > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102
> >
> >--
> >Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 (0)23 8059 ↵
4833
> >100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all crushed by a ↵
wall
> >(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30)

-- 

 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833

From: Bob Kemp <robert.kemp AT strath.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:49:28 +0100

Thanks Chris, that worked. I'd already got the stylesheet in 'static', and 
inserting "/" was the key - should have thought of that.

Eprints2 will be interesting - from this and your earlier posts it sounds 
like you're doing a lot. Not sure that being able to configure style sheets 
for each browser is what I want, although I see the attraction. I suppose 
I'd rather browser producers got their own act together - I know, pigs 
might fly....

Cheers,

Bob Kemp

At 02:14 PM 7/5/01 +0100, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
>I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run 'generate_static' to
>copy it accross into the 'html' dir.
>
>Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" so that it ↵
always looks
>in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.
>
>Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you still have ↵
problems.
>
>eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm testing this with
>netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it should look OK.
>
>It would be possible to add some code to give the option of a different
>style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but this would be
>more for the admin to maintain. Comments?
>
>All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ep2 with ↵
<SPAN 
>class="whatever">
>
>Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of July, ↵
*hopefully*).
>
>On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint archive here at 
> Strathclyde
> > to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works for the static ↵
pages
> > without any problem, but doesn't render successfully for the rest of ↵
the
> > site. The insertion of the link reference in the html in SiteInfo.pm ↵
seems
> > to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html - the problem ↵
is
> > presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> >
> > If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets successfully, I'd ↵
be
> > interested to know exactly how, including what directory they put the
> > stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or absolute url in
> > SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree altogether I'd be 
> glad to
> > hear about that as well...
> >
> > Thanks everyone,
> >
> > Bob Kemp
> >
> > Dr Bob Kemp
> > Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> > Centre for Digital Library Research
> > University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> >
> > DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> >
> > Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102
>
>--
>Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 (0)23 8059 4833
>100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all crushed by a wall
>(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30)

From: Christopher Gutteridge <cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:14:36 +0100

I'd put the stylesheet in the 'static' dir then run 'generate_static' to
copy it accross into the 'html' dir.

Then make the URL of the stylesheet "/eprints.css" so that it always ↵
looks
in the basedir of the site and not the current dir.

Can you provide a live URL we can have a look at, if you still have problems.

eprints2 is being desgined to use stylesheets ALOT. I'm testing this with
netscape, mozilla & IE under Linux & Windows so it should look OK.

It would be possible to add some code to give the option of a different
style sheet for each browser/platform to optimise each but this would be
more for the admin to maintain. Comments?

All the <I> and <STRONG> should be replaced in ep2 with <SPAN ↵
class="whatever">

Hopefully I'll have a live demo server up soonish (end of July, *hopefully*). 

On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:10:06PM +0100, Bob Kemp wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint archive here at ↵
Strathclyde 
> to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works for the static pages ↵

> without any problem, but doesn't render successfully for the rest of the 
> site. The insertion of the link reference in the html in SiteInfo.pm seems ↵

> to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html - the problem is 
> presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.
> 
> If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets successfully, I'd be 
> interested to know exactly how, including what directory they put the 
> stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or absolute url in 
> SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree altogether I'd be glad ↵
to 
> hear about that as well...
> 
> Thanks everyone,
> 
> Bob Kemp
> 
> Dr Bob Kemp
> Information Officer, Digital Information Office
> Centre for Digital Library Research
> University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS
> 
> DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/
> 
> Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102

-- 
Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 (0)23 8059 4833
100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all crushed by a wall 
(I Kings 20:28, 29, 30) 

From: Bob Kemp <robert.kemp AT strath.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:10:06 +0100

Hi all,

I'm having a problem getting our nascent eprint archive here at Strathclyde 
to recognise the CSS stylesheet I've set up. It works for the static pages 
without any problem, but doesn't render successfully for the rest of the 
site. The insertion of the link reference in the html in SiteInfo.pm seems 
to be OK as this is successfully rendered in the html - the problem is 
presumably in the location and url of the stylesheet.

If anyone out there has managed to use style sheets successfully, I'd be 
interested to know exactly how, including what directory they put the 
stylesheet(s) in, and whether they used a relative or absolute url in 
SiteInfo.pm. And if I'm barking up the wrong tree altogether I'd be glad to 
hear about that as well...

Thanks everyone,

Bob Kemp

Dr Bob Kemp
Information Officer, Digital Information Office
Centre for Digital Library Research
University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G4 0NS

DIO website: http://dio.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/

Phone: +44 (0)141 548 2379              FAX: +44 (0)141 548 2102

From: David Michael Raffauf <draffauf AT indiana.edu>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:57:58 -0500 (EST)

Hello Everyone,

	Does ePrints, by default, have a way to display different help
text for metadata fields that show up on the advanced search page and the
submissions pages?  I know that the description of these fields is stored
in cfg/metadata.eprints-fields.  But, isn't this description used for
creating the advanced search form and the submission forms the same?  Is
this type of customization simply a matter of making a copy of the field
descriptions and changing the help text, then pointing the advanced search
form creator to this file?

Thanks in advance,
  David Raffauf

From: Christopher Gutteridge <cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:30:50 +0100

1. I did not pick the current citation styles and I'm not sure I
want to change this unless some more people agree. It's easy to
configure - just edit the top of perl_lib/EPrintsSite/SiteRoutines.pm
all the citation style templates are there for you to tweak to your
own ends.

2. The new version will fix all the annoyances with passwords
- I really hate the email sign up, it's the worst single feature

The default username will be your email, and you will be able to change
the password.

A "set password" cgi script for version 1.whatever is possible if ↵
there
is enough of a need. Actually I think you should be able to get it to
work by editing perl_lib/EPrints/User.pm as follows:

Near the top of the file is the line:
	"password:text::Password:1:0:0", 

change it to:
	"password:text::Password:1:1:0", 

the three 1/0's are: ↵
"required","editable","visible" so what we just
did was make it "editable", which should mean that it appears as an
option on the "edit user record" form. I HAVE NOT TESTED THIS, so if
someone tries this please let the list know (hey, I'm answering on a
Sunday, what do you people want, blood? <grin>)



On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:08:32PM -0400, Christopher D. Green wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm new to this list. I'm a psychology professor at York Univeristy
> (Toronto) who is in the process of setting up an Eprints archive for the
> History & Theory of Psychology (HTP Prints). It is not ↵
"official" as
> yet, but if you'd to have a look at the "beta" version, you can ↵
find it
> at http://htpprints.yorku.ca/.
> 
> Even though I've only had a few people testing the site for me, I've run
> across a couple things that have "agitated" more than one user. ↵
Perhaps
> they can be altered in the next version of Eprints (or better yet, a
> "patch" could be made for the current version).
> 
> (1) Conference papers and posters are automatically referenced as
> "Proceedings <name of conference>". Often, however, there ↵
are no
> "proceedings" volumes for conferences. Indeed, the very reason ↵
one might
> wish to post one's conference paper or poster on an Eprints archive is
> that no such volume exists. Could this default be changed to "Paper
> presented at <name of conference>" and "Poster presented ↵
at <name of
> conference>"?
> 
> (2) A number of users have already asked me if they can change their
> passwords to something more memorable than the password generated for
> them by the software. As far as I can tell, there is no way to do this.
> Could a changeable field be included in, say, the "View/Change Your ↵
User
> Record" page to allow people to do this?
> 
> Again, I'm new to the list, and apologize if these things have come up
> before.
> 
> Best regards,
> --
> Christopher D. Green
> Department of Psychology
> York University
> Toronto, Ontario M3J 1P3
> 
> e-mail: christo AT yorku.ca
> phone:  416-736-5115 ext. 66164
> fax:    416-736-5814
> http://www.yorku.ca/christo/
> 

-- 
Christopher Gutteridge -- cjg AT ecs.soton.ac.uk -- +44 (0)23 8059 4833
Anyone who thinks they know what's going on is probably full of bullshit.

From: "Christopher D. Green" <christo AT yorku.ca>
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 13:08:32 -0400

Hi Folks,

I'm new to this list. I'm a psychology professor at York Univeristy
(Toronto) who is in the process of setting up an Eprints archive for the
History & Theory of Psychology (HTP Prints). It is not "official" ↵
as
yet, but if you'd to have a look at the "beta" version, you can find ↵
it
at http://htpprints.yorku.ca/.

Even though I've only had a few people testing the site for me, I've run
across a couple things that have "agitated" more than one user. ↵
Perhaps
they can be altered in the next version of Eprints (or better yet, a
"patch" could be made for the current version).

(1) Conference papers and posters are automatically referenced as
"Proceedings <name of conference>". Often, however, there are ↵
no
"proceedings" volumes for conferences. Indeed, the very reason one ↵
might
wish to post one's conference paper or poster on an Eprints archive is
that no such volume exists. Could this default be changed to "Paper
presented at <name of conference>" and "Poster presented at ↵
<name of
conference>"?

(2) A number of users have already asked me if they can change their
passwords to something more memorable than the password generated for
them by the software. As far as I can tell, there is no way to do this.
Could a changeable field be included in, say, the "View/Change Your User
Record" page to allow people to do this?

Again, I'm new to the list, and apologize if these things have come up
before.

Best regards,
--
Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, Ontario M3J 1P3

e-mail: christo AT yorku.ca
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From: ePrints Support <support AT eprints.org>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:42:21 +0100

I've run into a bit of a problem in my attempts to make eprints
all lovely and UTF-8. 

background:

The basic plan is to ensure that all the inputs are either UTF-8
or clearly encoded so they can be easily turned into UTF-8, then
the database can strictly contain UTF-8.

When the X(HT)ML is output to be a webpage it can be in any 
encoding wanted (currently UTF-8). This is only limited by the
perl libraries, which are still being improved.

All the webpage text in eprints will be loaded from XML files,
in ISO-LATIN-1 for english, but in your favorite encoding 
in theory.

the problem:

I can't find any way to identify what encoding a web browser is
using to send back form data. This has never been a problem for
me as I never really went outside ISO-LATIN-1, but now I want
to support non-latin users, such as greek and cyrillic, what 
should I do? I've poked at the problem with Mozilla and Netscape 4,
to no final, reliable, conclusion.

As far as I'm concerned it should be as back-compatable as
possible for old browsers, but I don't even have a basis for
a solution yet.

Nasty work arounds:
*	a hidden field in the form, the return value of which
	will tell me how the browser encoded the document. Ugh.

*	a selection made by the user (in my experience users will
	screw this up plenty, 80% won't even know what an encoding
	scheme is, nor should they need to)

*	assume that the browser will return a form in the encoding
	of the page the form was in, but this dosn't seem to work
	as I send pages to Moz or N4 in UTF-8 and get the results
	of the form as ISO-LATIN-1

*	Set a default encoding for an archive. Eg. ISO-8859-5 for 
	greek. Except there are THREE DIFFERENT encodings for greek,
	and a greek archive should probably have to understand ALL
	of them (sob). At least the default encoding assumption
	could be used to complement one of the other methods.

Please, if you have any insight into this problem, let me know.


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 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833

From: Rachel Pevtzow <R.S.Pevtzow AT soton.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:55:30 +0100 (BST)

Hi Chris,

I just thought of something, although it's a bit late for this year.  Every 
year there's an institutional web manager's conference for uk universities. 
Maybe you'd want to go and give a talk next year or something.  Here's the 
details of this year's conference:
	
http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2001/

From: "Dan Fleming" <DR.Fleming AT ulst.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:25:15 GMT

contact name: Dan Fleming (Dr)
contact email: (may be admin AT ...) admin AT formations.org.uk
institution/company: University of Ulster
location (including country): eg. Coleraine, Northern Ireland, UK
archive name: Formations Media Studies Archive
archive URL: formations.org.uk
level of "commitment": eprints archive deployed and in use (just ↵
starting)
any interesting modifications: combined 'service' with a Lotus Domino 
based discussion ('seminar papers') site
interest in eprints community:  -willing (although concentrating on managing 
the archive's 'community', rather than technical development)

Usage of information: following are all OK
We WILL post it on the eprints.org website. We may use the
name of your institution in our propaganda (eg. University of
Badger Tech uses eprints!). 

 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833

From: ePrints Support <support AT eprints.org>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:59:52 +0100

First of all, apologies all round, I've been dealing with the
end of student year courseworks panic - I've not been able to
give much attention to eprints.


I'm being asked to compile a list of who's doing what with 
eprints. Which would be generally useful. But there is also
a need to identify a UK eprints user who would be willing to
speak at a meeting.


This is completely optional, but if you want, please mail
support AT eprints.org with information on what you are doing
with eprints,

contact name:
contact email: (may be admin AT ...)
institution/company:
location (including country): eg. Southampton, UK
archive name:
archive URL:
level of "commitment": eg.
	eprints archive deployed and in use
	eprints archive being evaluated with aim to use it
	just playing around with eprints
any interesting modifications:
interest in eprints community: (are you interested in being
involved, eg. provide speakers, answer questions, other stuff )
	-very interested
	-willing
	-can't see what I/we could help with
	-no, leave us alone

All fields are optional, this isn't a database (yet <grin>)
so feel free to invent fields that I didn't think of.

Usage of information:
  We WILL post it on the eprints.org website. We may use the
name of your institution in our propaganda (eg. University of
Badger Tech uses eprints!). 

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 Christopher Gutteridge                   support AT eprints.org 
 ePrints Technical Support                +44 23 8059 4833